Comments on: UGANDA: It’s Worse than We Thought http://wakingupnow.com/blog/uganda-worse-than-we-thought Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:23:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Taylor Siluwé http://wakingupnow.com/blog/uganda-worse-than-we-thought/comment-page-1#comment-1684 Taylor Siluwé Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:10:22 +0000 http://wakingupnow.com/blog/?p=721#comment-1684 Reading that bill is almost surreal, like going back to another era. Phrasing like "procuring homosexuality" and "intent to commit homosexuality" made my skin crawl. What were they thinking when they wrote this thing? Was it Bahati who actually wrote the bill? Why wasn't it laughed out of parliament immediately? The witch hunts and false-accusations leading to imprisonment and/or death which would certainly ensue should this bill be passed should concern every citizen of Uganda and the world. American evangelical complicity is evident in Bahati's language. IN the opening principle of the bill to "protect the traditional family" could have come from the mission statement of any number of American Christian non-profits like Focus on the Family, Family Research Council, National Organization for Marriage (NOM) and lets not forget Rick Warren's 'Purpose Driven' influence in the region. The language from the opening presented as fact and not non-scientific hokum - "The legislation further recognizes the fact that same sex attraction is not an innate and immutable characteristic" -- reflects a mind-set influenced by statements like -- "Homosexuality is not a natural way of life and thus not a human right." Rick Warren said this during his 2008 visit with African religious and political leaders in Rwanda, Uganda, and Kenya. Though most American evangelicals are skittering away from this like cockroaches when you turn on a light, we need to keep the pressure on to not only help our Ugandan LGBT citizens of the world, but to stem the rise of Evangelical influence in our government and Armed services. Reading that bill is almost surreal, like going back to another era. Phrasing like “procuring homosexuality” and “intent to commit homosexuality” made my skin crawl.

What were they thinking when they wrote this thing? Was it Bahati who actually wrote the bill? Why wasn’t it laughed out of parliament immediately? The witch hunts and false-accusations leading to imprisonment and/or death which would certainly ensue should this bill be passed should concern every citizen of Uganda and the world.

American evangelical complicity is evident in Bahati’s language. IN the opening principle of the bill to “protect the traditional family” could have come from the mission statement of any number of American Christian non-profits like Focus on the Family, Family Research Council, National Organization for Marriage (NOM) and lets not forget Rick Warren’s ‘Purpose Driven’ influence in the region. The language from the opening presented as fact and not non-scientific hokum – “The legislation further recognizes the fact that same sex attraction is not an innate and immutable characteristic” — reflects a mind-set influenced by statements like — “Homosexuality is not a natural way of life and thus not a human right.” Rick Warren said this during his 2008 visit with African religious and political leaders in Rwanda, Uganda, and Kenya.

Though most American evangelicals are skittering away from this like cockroaches when you turn on a light, we need to keep the pressure on to not only help our Ugandan LGBT citizens of the world, but to stem the rise of Evangelical influence in our government and Armed services.

]]> By: Uganda’s Kill-the-Straight-Friends-of-Gays Bill | We Are Change Utah http://wakingupnow.com/blog/uganda-worse-than-we-thought/comment-page-1#comment-1648 Uganda’s Kill-the-Straight-Friends-of-Gays Bill | We Are Change Utah Sat, 06 Feb 2010 21:04:49 +0000 http://wakingupnow.com/blog/?p=721#comment-1648 [...] the facts are much worse than that.  I’ve written about this before, but it bears repeating.  Here are two examples of people who could be put to [...] [...] the facts are much worse than that.  I’ve written about this before, but it bears repeating.  Here are two examples of people who could be put to [...]

]]> By: Lesley http://wakingupnow.com/blog/uganda-worse-than-we-thought/comment-page-1#comment-1513 Lesley Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:42:25 +0000 http://wakingupnow.com/blog/?p=721#comment-1513 What disturbs me is that I can't seem to make anyone care about this. Even people who label themselves "citizens of the world" don't seem to be able to do more than just frown for a couple of seconds. But we need our LGBT family in Uganda. We just don't know that we need them. Our opponents know that we need our LGBT family in Uganda. LGBT rights can only be framed as "risky social experiments" in a world where few LGBT people have rights... What disturbs me is that I can’t seem to make anyone care about this. Even people who label themselves “citizens of the world” don’t seem to be able to do more than just frown for a couple of seconds. But we need our LGBT family in Uganda. We just don’t know that we need them.

Our opponents know that we need our LGBT family in Uganda. LGBT rights can only be framed as “risky social experiments” in a world where few LGBT people have rights…

]]> By: kevtrsk http://wakingupnow.com/blog/uganda-worse-than-we-thought/comment-page-1#comment-1512 kevtrsk Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:40:28 +0000 http://wakingupnow.com/blog/?p=721#comment-1512 Religion has always been mans way to control the mass's to discriminate... or harm or kill someone or something they didn't understand or someone that was different and slap a because god says so label to it so they can sleep at night. rules are good for everyone. Religion is good for no one. human sacrifice animal sacrifice get real All in the name of god... Remember the witch hunts? middle age crusades? the puritans. the things that were done in the name of god? make me want to puke. Religion has no place in a modern world with exception to self soothing if it makes you feel good to have an imaginary friend, or talk to dead person good for you... But to impose your ideas of good and bad to areas of life we do not choose (sexual orientation) which is like your hair or skin color. you did not pic it... you may be able to color it stain it bleach it or mark it or but it will always grow back the original color. Cheers! Religion has always been mans way to control the mass’s to discriminate… or harm or kill someone or something they didn’t understand or someone that was different and slap a because god says so label to it so they can sleep at night. rules are good for everyone. Religion is good for no one.

human sacrifice animal sacrifice get real

All in the name of god… Remember the witch hunts? middle age crusades? the puritans. the things that were done in the name of god? make me want to puke. Religion has no place in a modern world with exception to self soothing if it makes you feel good to have an imaginary friend, or talk to dead person good for you… But to impose your ideas of good and bad to areas of life we do not choose (sexual orientation) which is like your hair or skin color. you did not pic it… you may be able to color it stain it bleach it or mark it or but it will always grow back the original color. Cheers!

]]> By: Tokokono http://wakingupnow.com/blog/uganda-worse-than-we-thought/comment-page-1#comment-1388 Tokokono Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:10:14 +0000 http://wakingupnow.com/blog/?p=721#comment-1388 Honestly? Even under these extreme measures, I'm not too worried about the Uganda law passing. From what I understand, only one (If not, an equally useless amount) of senators agree to it, and even if it did go through, we all know that Obama would veto, and that the supreme court would find it unconstitutional - the premise of that being the eighth amendment of the Constitution. <em>[Webmaster's note: This is a bill in Uganda. Obama has no power to veto it, and the US Constitution does not apply.]</em> Honestly? Even under these extreme measures, I’m not too worried about the Uganda law passing. From what I understand, only one (If not, an equally useless amount) of senators agree to it, and even if it did go through, we all know that Obama would veto, and that the supreme court would find it unconstitutional – the premise of that being the eighth amendment of the Constitution.

[Webmaster's note: This is a bill in Uganda. Obama has no power to veto it, and the US Constitution does not apply.]

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